tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18071407.post3750816384823559129..comments2024-03-28T18:57:20.920+01:00Comments on Living the life in Saint-Aignan: Strange leavesKen Broadhursthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04430899802705818716noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18071407.post-23968942511011476062014-09-13T17:57:57.418+02:002014-09-13T17:57:57.418+02:00Very interesting!Very interesting!Seine Judeet (Judith)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07407353544376132484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18071407.post-59285604559591505412014-09-13T14:09:30.909+02:002014-09-13T14:09:30.909+02:00And then there's this, from book titled Encyc...And then there's this, from book titled Encyclopédie Méthodique : Botanique, Volume 8<br /><br />Ciotat; raifin d'Autriche. Dift. d'Agric. vol. 10. pag. 181. tab. 21.<br />Vitis folio laciniato; acino medio} rotundo, albido. Id. I. c.<br />Si on clafle ce raifin d'après la couleur & le goût de fes grains, il doit faire partie de la race des chafielas. Placé à la même expofition, il mûrit à la même époque. Sa grappe eft moins grolîe, & le grain eft moins rond que ceux du chafTelas. Il eft remarquable par fes feuilles palmées & laciniées en cinq pièces, lefquelles font portées d'abord par un pétiole commun, qui fouvent fe partage en cinq pour fervir de fupport aux cinq parties de la feuille , en fe prolongeant jufqu'à leut extrémité. Quelquefois les feuilles partent du pétiole commun.<br />Ken Broadhursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04430899802705818716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18071407.post-177249454979762532014-09-13T11:31:21.538+02:002014-09-13T11:31:21.538+02:00The description of the fruit in this old book also...The description of the fruit in <a href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=meXLXht9S6oC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=chasselas+ciotat&source=bl&ots=j6caEmhcvA&sig=dtw3i9d2zHRTSQqY0ujAy2NxfBw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0w0UVLCfJ8fvaLeWgqAE&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=chasselas%20ciotat&f=false&sout=1" rel="nofollow">this old book</a> also fits. Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06472449597146519943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18071407.post-27198549815240391842014-09-13T11:20:40.353+02:002014-09-13T11:20:40.353+02:00Thanks Susan, very interesting. The man who told u...Thanks Susan, very interesting. The man who told us that the leaves belong to a variety of Chasselas is an 84-year-old <i>vigneron</i> -- I should have known he was right.<br /><br />This is a <a href="http://www.louistheplantgeek.com/a-gardening-journal/701-vitis-vinifera-ciotat" rel="nofollow">good site for info about Chasselas Ciotat</a>.Ken Broadhursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04430899802705818716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18071407.post-23207095517063313072014-09-13T11:09:46.286+02:002014-09-13T11:09:46.286+02:00A quick rummage around the interwebs suggests that...A quick rummage around the interwebs suggests that the strange grape is Chasselas Ciotat, known as the Parsley-leaved Grape. It's a spontaneous mutation of true Chasselas. I assume it got into that parcel of reds by mistake. Apparently it's a quite rare, old variety.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06472449597146519943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18071407.post-48821435401123182042014-09-13T10:47:35.975+02:002014-09-13T10:47:35.975+02:00These vines are all mechanically pruned and the gr...These vines are all mechanically pruned and the grapes are mechanically harvested. So you may be right, Tim. The plant really is strikingly different from all the other plants around it.Ken Broadhursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04430899802705818716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18071407.post-56354639810701539632014-09-13T10:46:06.320+02:002014-09-13T10:46:06.320+02:00I was thinking the same thing.I was thinking the same thing.Ken Broadhursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04430899802705818716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18071407.post-18181593779101557262014-09-13T10:41:31.403+02:002014-09-13T10:41:31.403+02:00The grapes do look a bit like Chasselas ie very gl...The grapes do look a bit like Chasselas ie very globular, but they look a bit big, not packed together enough and not bronzy enough (that could just be stage of ripeness though). However, the leaves look nothing like Chasselas, which has relatively undivided leaves (I've got some at the orchard). These leaves suggest a mutation to me. I'd also guess that the variety isn't the same as the vines around it because the grape colour is different, but that might all be part of the mutation. Mutations can occur for all sorts of reasons -- perhaps the plant was damaged at the grafting stage for instance.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06472449597146519943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18071407.post-35599745538330125152014-09-13T09:35:27.034+02:002014-09-13T09:35:27.034+02:00Susan's the one who can identify vines from th...Susan's the one who can identify vines from their leaves, isn't she?<br />I like the shape, tho...<br />But...<br />are these machine maintained apart from the main pruning?<br />If that's the case, perhaps no one has realised that there is a "rogue" plant out there...<br />one vine looks much like another in winter...<br />and that's when the young plants will have been uprooted from the nursery, too!<br />Love the last piccy....<br />nice composition.... the old and the new...Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16439261142732764451noreply@blogger.com